Science Daily: Alps-like Mountain Range Exists Under East Antarctic Ice Sheet.
"Working cooperatively in some of the harshest conditions imaginable, all the while working in temperatures that averaged -30 degrees Celsius, our seven-nation team has produced detailed images of last unexplored mountain range on Earth," said Michael Studinger, of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, the co-leader of the U.S. portion of the Antarctica's Gamburstev Province (AGAP) project. "As our two survey aircraft flew over the flat white ice sheet, the instrumentation revealed a remarkably rugged terrain with deeply etched valleys and very steep mountain peaks."
I did not see the word Atlantean in the article you linked to. What makes you think this is Atlantis? Other than your Expanding Earth Hypothesis, I mean.
ReplyDeleteAtlantis is Antarctica.
ReplyDelete@OIM "Atlantis is Antarctica."
ReplyDeleteYet more woo from OIM. Consider the original quote from Plato's Timaeus:
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html
"But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an ISLAND SITUATED IN FRONT OF THE STRAITS WHICH ARE BY YOU CALLED THE PILLARS OF HERACLES; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."
In no way could Antarctica be considered to be in front of the Straits of Gibraltar. Also, soldiers from Atlantis supposedly conquered the coast of North Africa up to Egypt and also the northern shores of the Mediterranean Sea west of Italy. Where is the archaeological evidence of this conquest?
Tom,
ReplyDeleteAntarctica is outside the Pillars and fits the description perfectly. Also you are ignoring the Kircher map.
Atlantis In Antarctica.
@OIM "Antarctica is outside the Pillars and fits the description perfectly."
ReplyDeleteSo IN FRONT OF means thousands of kilometers away? Also, show me one shred of physical evidence that human beings inhabited Antarctica before the arrival of the Europeans in the 19th century. Where are the ruins of your Atlantean civilization and why have they never been found in Antarctica or under the seas nearby?
Did you read the link I provided?
ReplyDeleteDid you look at the Kircher map and what is your reaction to it?
"Also, show me one shred of physical evidence that human beings inhabited Antarctica before the arrival of the Europeans in the 19th century. Where are the ruins of your Atlantean civilization and why have they never been found in Antarctica or under the seas nearby?"
Yesterday you would've said the same about the mountains they just discovered.
Maybe because it's been under ice for the past several thousand years.
"[The] Antarctic may hold the future of archaeology." -- Norman Hammond, archaeologist, February 2008
@Tom,
ReplyDeleteAtlantis is Antarctica
But then, by this person's perspective Venis is a Comet.
You can't take OiM seriously. I don't know that he does either.
Jeffery,
ReplyDeleteVenus was a comet. Past tense. Nice straw man argument.
By the way, do you still think every point in the universe is moving away from every other point and that it's impossible for galaxies to collide?
Yes. In fact I do. The large-scale expansion is overcome easily on the local level.
ReplyDeleteVenus still isn't a comet.
And even if my position is a delusion, its the one with all the actual observational evidence, as opposed to comparitive mythology.
Jeffery,
ReplyDelete"Yes. In fact I do. The large-scale expansion is overcome easily on the local level."
Why do you think it's impossible for galaxies to collide when we observe galaxies (e.g. Arp 147) colliding?
"Venus still isn't a comet."
Who says Venus is a comet? No one I know. Venus was a comet. Past tense. It had an irregular orbit and all the ancients said it was a comet.
"And even if my position is a delusion, its the one with all the actual observational evidence, as opposed to comparitive mythology."
Arp 147 is 2 galaxies colliding, therefore every point in the universe is not moving away from every other point, if points in fact exist at all (they don't).
Observational evidence? You mean like the fact that we observe galaxies colliding? Or the fact that Venus was observed to have an irregular orbit and that this was recorded and written down by the Sumerians for all posterity? Or the fact that Venus has a comet tail? Or the fact that Venus has retrograde rotation? Or the fact that Venus is 850 degrees fahrenheit? Or the fact that Sonchis of Sais, Solon, Puthagoras, Democritus, Euripides, Plato, and Ovid all said Venus was a comet?
@OIM "Did you look at the Kircher map and what is your reaction to it?"
ReplyDeleteYes, I did read it. I suggest you try this following experiment. In the Kircher map take a string and connect the object labeled Africa with the object labeled America. Notice how the string passes over the object labeled Atlantis?
Now do the same thing with one of maps with Antarctica in the center. Take a string and connect Africa to South America. Notice how the string does NOT pass over Antarctica?
What is this telling you? That the Kircher map is depicting a large body of land directly between Africa and America - in other words it is smack dab in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
So that web site is a complete misrepresentation of the Kircher map. It even says that Kircher himself thought that Atlantis was located in the Atlantic Ocean.
Antarctica is located in the world ocean. The island of Atlas holds the world on it's shoulders. It's so obvious.
ReplyDelete@OIM "Antarctica is located in the world ocean. The island of Atlas holds the world on it's shoulders. It's so obvious."
ReplyDeleteROFLMAO. And the results of my suggested experiment were what exactly?
From your linked article:
"The land which surrounds the World Ocean is a continent in the geographic sense of the word (large continuous land mass)."
Dang, they can't even get geography right! A 6th-grader knows more geography than they do. What world ocean? What continuous land mass surrounding it? You can navigate all the way from Antarctica through the Pacific Ocean, through the Bering Straight, (and if you have a nuclear submarine straight under the North Pole) with no land mass blocking your way.
And that still doesn't answer the question of where is the evidence for this Atlantean invasion of the Mediterranean Sea? How could Atlantis conquer half the Mediterranean basin without some archaeological evidence of it happening? Surely they must have left some evidence behind assuming Plato didn't pull the story from his arse (which in fact he did).
You misread me. Galaxies do collide. This is because the large-scale expansion is easily overcome on the local level.
ReplyDeleteTry again.
Tom,
ReplyDeleteLook at a globe and then read the link.
"And that still doesn't answer the question of where is the evidence for this Atlantean invasion of the Mediterranean Sea?"
In Egypt, in the greek academic and historical record, and in the Trilithon stones of Baalbek.
"How could Atlantis conquer half the Mediterranean basin without some archaeological evidence of it happening?"
Very easily. Catastrophes. But there is archaeological evidence you're just blind to it. I suggest you also read Plato, Crantor, Posidonius, Diodorus, Strabo, Proclus, and people who actually went to Egypt in the first millenium B.C. and who saw the archaeological evidence with their own eyes.
"assuming Plato didn't pull the story from his arse (which in fact he did)."
You appear to be somewhat factually challenged.
Venus was considered to have behaved like a comet - big difference.
ReplyDeleteJeffrey Keown
ReplyDeleteAssuming a Big Bang, followed by expansion, galaxies cannot collide by definition. All have to be moving away from each other, since all are moving from an initial point source, the Big Bang.
Over to you.
@Louis
ReplyDeleteBut they do collide. Just as OiM during a lucid moment said. Its one of the things he and I agree upon. Galaxies collide. It's an observed fact.
@OIM "Very easily. Catastrophes. But there is archaeological evidence you're just blind to it. I suggest you also read Plato..."
ReplyDeletePlato says directly in Timaeus:
"...and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea."
Is Antarctica under the sea? Note, Plato did NOT say that Atlantis was covered up with ice.
"You appear to be somewhat factually challenged."
Right back at you, dude. :)
Jeffery,
ReplyDeleteColliding galaxies means there was no Big Bang.
Tom,
ReplyDelete"Is Antarctica under the sea?"
Yes. A great deal of it actually.
"Plato did NOT say that Atlantis was covered up with ice."
So what?
@OIM "Yes. A great deal of it actually."
ReplyDeletePlato says that Atlantis disappeared under the sea. That means all of the continent was gone under the waves. It cannot be Antarctica if you take Plato literally.
In regards to Atlantis, your [Tom Marking's] characterization of Plato's description carries weight with me.
ReplyDeleteI have serious doubts about whether Atlantis existed in the form described by Plato. The Egyptians (where Plato got the idea) may have been referring to Knosses and the isle of Crete, and the story got mutated by Plato.
Wouln't be the first time a story grew taller by the telling.
Knosses did conquer many parts of the shoreline on the Mediterranean Sea. And was so powerful that they had no need for defenses at Knosses, ifself, testimony to their power and might in a day when threat of conquest by outside powers was a constant threat for all civilizations, apparently except Knosses.
Also, Knosses was wiped out by a giant title wave caused by the eruption at Santorini.
So, in a fashion subsumed under the sea. Remember, even Egypt as powerful as it was, held Knosses in admiration and respect, likely, because Knosses was undisputed master of the "middle sea."
Tom,
ReplyDelete"Plato says that Atlantis disappeared under the sea."
No he doesn't. He says disappears into the depths of the sea not under the sea.
"That means all of the continent was gone under the waves."
No. See above
"It cannot be Antarctica if you take Plato literally."
You take Plato literally?
Anaconda,
ReplyDelete"I have serious doubts about whether Atlantis existed in the form described by Plato."
You should have serious doubts about everything...=)
"The Egyptians (where Plato got the idea) may have been referring to Knosses and the isle of Crete, and the story got mutated by Plato."
Thera is not bigger than Libya and Asia combined. If Sonchis had meant Thera he would have said Thera and not Atlantis.
@ OilIsMastery:
ReplyDeleteWould you be so good of me by providing the quotes of Sonchis that specifically mention Atlantis.
It's my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong that the only mention of Atlantis we have is from Plato.
I note, OilIsMastery, that you seemingly take Plato literally where it serves your purpose, but take him metaphorically where that serves your purpose.
You can't have it both ways and make a strong argument.
@OIM "He says disappears into the depths of the sea not under the sea."
ReplyDeleteROFLMAO once again, but Hey, this blog is providing me much comic relief. So if I say "Titanic disappeared into the depths of the sea" that does NOT mean that it sank, right?