"And he [Methuselah] was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on the earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything. And he testified to [the existence of] the Watchers...." -- Jubilees 4:21-22
The Book of Jubilees is one of the Dead Sea Scrolls and is considered to be canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (The Book of Division).
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Here is the accurate quote, undoctored by Oils:
21. And he was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth 5 and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything. 22. And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Enoch testified against (them) all.
Reads a bit differently, doesn't it?
Also, Heliocentrism is ancient. That it shows up in the Bible (or a fragment thereof) is not surprising. Its intepretation that's of concern, which we've often seen can get one into trouble.
The sun strings these worlds — the earth, the planets, the atmosphere — to himself on a thread. --Shatapatha Brahmana
Jeffery,
"Reads a bit differently, doesn't it? "
How does my clarification read differently? The Watchers exist. Period. Methuselah didn't testify to them (he was already with them). Rather he testified their existence.
"Also, Heliocentrism is ancient."
I agree.
"That it shows up in the Bible (or a fragment thereof) is not surprising."
I agree. It's only surprising to atheists who believe the Bible is geocentric.
Not exactly.
http://www.fixedearth.com/
Or this little gem:
Psalm 119:90: ...thou hast established the earth, and it abideth (stands, is fixed, etc).
Now, I'm the first one who'll tell you that Geocentrists are crazy.
In this context, do you mean Atheist like I mean Atheist? or do you mean Atheist as in "Doesn't believe in Aliens?"
And please answer that question, unlike the one from the other day, you have ignored me on the argumentum ad hitlerum for days now.
6 jubilees of years = 300 years, correct?
Watchers = angels of God ???
Oils would have us believe that the Watchers were Aliens. Aliens that somehow can breed with humans, despite having evolved on another planet.
Very Sci-Fi, if you ask me.
In other news, my cancer surgery this morning appears to have been a success. The doctor says there is little sign of a return of my cancer.
QF,
"Watchers = angels of God ???"
Correct.
"I [Nebuchadnezzar] saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven." -- Daniel 4:13
Oh... here's a thought:
If aliens visited Earth in the past, and left behind notions of Heliocentrism, the facts about various stars (their binary or trinary nature and distance from Earth), why is that all they left behind?
Where, in mythology (or history as Oils would have it) is any indication of the larger picture of reality, galaxies, space-time; the deeper facts of the universe. It seems as though the aliens left behind only what a human being could reason with his own mind, based on experience, observation and a little imagination.
I'd love to see some unambiguous ancient discussion of nuclear fusion or a dissertation of Stellar Evolution. Or even advanced medicine or abiogenesis.
I do not think such things exist. Why? I because, sadly, it never happened. We are too far from the nearest inhabited planet, and they never made the trip.
Which is a shame, cause that would have been cool.
Jeffery,
"In other news, my cancer surgery this morning appears to have been a success. The doctor says there is little sign of a return of my cancer."
Glad to hear it Jeffery! Are you allowed to drink a beer to celebrate?
Jefffery,
"If aliens visited Earth in the past, and left behind notions of Heliocentrism, the facts about various stars (their binary or trinary nature and distance from Earth), why is that all they left behind?"
"And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the working of them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antinomy, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven." -- Enoch 8:1-2
"Personally, I'm absolutely convinced that extraterrestrial creatures have stopped on our planet because of the many traces they left behind." -- Viatscheslav Zaitsev, philologist, 1968
"Where, in mythology (or history as Oils would have it) is any indication of the larger picture of reality, galaxies, space-time; the deeper facts of the universe.
I'd love to see some unambiguous ancient discussion of nuclear fusion or a dissertation of Stellar Evolution."
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." -- Job 38:4
"Canst though bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?" -- Job 38:31-33
Interesting line of research OIM. Have you ever found any ancient texts that accurately describe people in hot air balloons abducting young ladies and then drifting to a great library to show them scrolls of knowledge in return for sex and then returning 294 days later?
OIM,
And, I thought MIB (the movies) was for fun! It is alll real! And, would you tell us which marble are you really from?
I do not see a reference to our galaxy as a barred spiral, drifting through space, gravitationally bound to the Local Group and wandering toward Andromeda... nope... no extragalactic references at all.
I don't see a reference to anything I couldn't see if I went outside and looked up.
(Save that Indy is very cloudy tonight, and I'd see nothing if I looked up, but you get the point)
Glad to hear it Jeffery! Are you allowed to drink a beer to celebrate?
Nothing technically prevents me from drinking, but I don't drink at all. When drunk, I'm more messed up than you can imagine.
ADD + OCD + C2H5OH = BAD NEWS!
Jeffery
Congrats on the good health! That is true wealth.
Now waste less of your valuable time telling OIM that he is messing with us and maybe he will go back to gravity or EM?
^^^^ Just joking up there ^^^^
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