"Hades [Pluto] trembled where he rules over the dead below, and the Titans under Tartarus who live with Cronos [Saturn] ...." -- Hesiod, poet, Theogony, 8th century B.C.
"After the capture of Elis he [Mars] marched against Pylus and having taken the city he slew Periclymenus, the most valiant of the sons of Neleus, who used to change his shape in battle. And he slew Neleus and his sons, except Nestor; for he was a youth and was being brought up among the Gerenians. In the fight he also wounded Hades [Pluto], who was siding with the Pylians." -- Apollodoros, historian, The Library, Book II, 2nd century B.C.
Science Daily: New Hubble Maps of Pluto Show Surface Changes.
ScienceDaily (Feb. 5, 2010) — NASA has released the most detailed set of images ever taken of the distant dwarf planet Pluto. The images taken by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope show an icy and dark molasses-colored, mottled world that is undergoing seasonal changes in its surface color and brightness.
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16 comments:
OIM,
Who is Hesiod recollecting in the Theogony?
According to you, everything is a recollection...
And, please no more wimps, beamfuckers, hot rock throwers, or fair maiden stealers...
KV,
Do you know what a planet is?
OIM,
I thought one can not know anything, only recollect?
Do you recollect anything at all?
Hesiod was talking about a legendary guy... not a dwarf planet.
You need to learn to tell the difference... seriously.
Jeffery,
Hesiod was talking about a planet.
For some bizarre atheist reason you think planets are legendary.
You need to learn what gods are ... seriously.
Gods are imaginary. Planets are real. You have your head so far up Velikovsky's ass you can't just accept stories as stories.
How is it that Hesiod knew what that little ice-ball was like? Seriously answer the question. How did he know. No answering this one with another question, or dodging, but a verifiable fact-on-the-ground kinda answer.
Gods are planets. It's called astrolatry.
This was a fact before Velikovsky was born so your obssession with Velikovsky merely serves to prove the voracity of his claims.
"How is it that Hesiod knew what that little ice-ball was like?"
Good question.
How did the ancients know about the moons of Mars?
How did the ancients know Saturn has rings?
How did Democritus know that planets and moons grow?
How did Democritus know that some planets are devoid of animals and plants and all water?
How did Democritus know about atoms?
How did Democritus know that lead and mercury are next to gold on the periodic table?
OIM,
Here you go: you state, Gods are planets.
How many gods, really? Who told you this? Was it in one of your beamfucked session? You must stop using "know", must use "recollect", and should identify the sources you recollect from, as well as their sources, as so on.
It really would be way much better to take your lillies on time.
KV,
"How many gods, really?"
All of them that aren't extraterrestrials and angels.
"Who told you this?"
Every author I have ever read on the subject of astrolatry.
"... 'Star of Horus, Foremost of the Sky' (in the Pyramid Texts, Horus was called the 'Morning Star')." -- Robert G. Bauval, author, The Egypt Code, 2008
"A perusal of nearly any ancient pantheon reveals the obvious: At least some of the gods, often the most important ones, are objects in the sky." -- Edwin C. Krupp, archaeoastronomer, Echoes of the Ancient Sky: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations, 2003
"As in ancient Mesopotamia, China, India, Greece, and Italy, astronomical gods form the core of the pre-Columbian pantheon. Mesoamerican societies saw the heavenly bodies as gods who influenced their fate and controlled what happened on earth." -- Dick Teresi, author, Lost Discoveries, 2002
"In most ancient cultures in which sky observations were important, astronomers served also as priests." -- Dick Teresi, Lost Discoveries, author, 2002
"So great was the ancients reliance on the sun and the moon that they deified them." -- Anthony F. Aveni, archaeoastronomer, Sky Watchers, 2001
"Would you believe that all the gods that people have ever imagined are still with us today?" -- Neil Gaiman, author, American Gods, Chapter 13, 2001
"Like the ancient Greeks, Romans, Hindus, Chinese, Mesopotamians, and Egyptians, the Maya believed that the celestial luminaries were gods who influenced human destiny and controlled events on earth." -- Susan Milbrath, archaeoastronomer, Star Gods of the Maya, 1999
"Astronomical gods form the core of the Precolumbian pantheon." -- Susan Milbrath, archaeoastronomer, Star Gods of the Maya, 1999
"Athena and Aphrodite were both planet Venus deities." -- Charles Ginenthal, historian, 1995
"On the mythological front, it was not long before I had to accept that the deities of the ancient nations originated as personifications of cosmic bodies, prime among which were the very planets of the solar system. It did not take Velikovsky, or any of his precursors, to convince me of this. The ancients, who were in the best position to know what they themselves believed in, so stated in many of their texts. It therefore struck me as strange that most modern mythologists would go to such great pains in attempting to explain mythological characters and themes in anything but cosmic terms." -- Dwardu Cardona, author, December 1988
"... it is not the 'beliefs' and 'religions' which circle around and fight eachother restlessly; what changes is the celestial situation." -- Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend, polymaths, 1969
"Are you so impressed also by the planet Jupiter that you would regard it as a chief deity above Sun and Moon? And they worshipped those planets, those gods, in the planets themselves. They were lifting their hands, the Babylonians and the Indians, Hindu, and the Chinese, all, they were lifting their hands to those planets in worshipping them. And human sacrifice were brought to them. Even into recent times, among the American Indians, in the last century still, human sacrifice were brought to the planet Venus." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966
"I ask again and again why the ancients worshipped planetary gods." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966
"It is not easy to understand the idea which was the basis for the identification of the Babylonian gods with the planets." -- Peter Jensen, author, 1890
"The sun, moon and stars, were such noble and glorious bodies, and so visible, so remarkable, so useful [to all] parts of the world; and the heathen nations so generally doted on the worship of them...." -- William Whiston, mathematician, 1737
"The last fell to the lot of Cronos [Saturn] the seventh planet. Such he made this seat; having founded the sacred city, he called it by the name of Thebes in Egypt...." -- Nonnus, poet, Dionysiaca, Book V, 5th century
"But possibly these stars which have been called by their names are these gods. They call a certain star Mercury, and likewise a certain other star Mars. But among those stars which are called by the name of gods, is that one which they call Jupiter, and yet with them Jupiter is the world. There also is that one they call Saturn, and yet they give him no small property beside, namely all seeds." -- Augustine, theologian, City of God, 426
"Another of his [Pythagoras's] theories was ... that the sun, and the moon, and the stars, were all Gods...." -- Diogenes Laertius, historian, 3rd century
OIM,
Why do you read all these authors? Why don't you recollect?
Who did these authors recollect from? and so on?
Now could it be that "gods" was the only way to understand the cosmos for Hesiod and others you have been reading and clipping without recollection? In simpler words, they were morbidly ignorant, who go on changing "god properties:" that suited them at the time...
Finally, "god concept" itself is a product of evolution to keep the jerks, powerful jerks, in line.
KV,
Why don't you believe in planets?
I can guarantee you planets are real.
I think what's missing here is that Hesiod couldn't have known about Pluto. Period.
Also, the designation of the ice dwarf Pluto was not performed by the ancients. There is no astronomic observation of the little guy, only discussions about Pluto and Hades as personas, not planets. The tiny planet's name was chosen out of respect for Percival Lowell. P.L.uto.
This is what we call a coincidence. The Moderns named the thing, not Hesiod.
You fail, Oils, no surprise there.
Jeffery,
"I think what's missing here is that Hesiod couldn't have known about Pluto. Period."
Why don't you think Pluto existed in the 8th century B.C.?
The Roman pantheon is based upon the Greek pantheon. Hesiod called Pluto Hades.
"The tiny planet's name was chosen out of respect for Percival Lowell. P.L.uto.
This is what we call a coincidence."
So it's just a coincidence that all the planets were named after Roman planets that were known in ancient times?
Typo: veracity not voracity lol.
So it's just a coincidence that all the planets were named after Roman planets that were known in ancient times?
It's called a tradition. Did you think that they'd have all these lovely ancient names out to Saturn, and then name the last few Tom, Dick and Harry?
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