"Between the celestials [angels] and the Asuras [fallen angels], there happened, of yore, frequent encounters for the sovereignty of the three worlds with everything in them." -- Mahabharata, Book I: Adi Parva, Section LXXVI, 8th century B.C.
Milton, J., Paradise Lost, Book VI, 1667
The remedy; perhaps more valid arms,"Whilst the copper ores were the main objectives of the ancient mining, numerous other toxic metals are present in significant quantities, including minerals such as thorium and uranium...." -- John P. Grattan, professor, et al., Radon and ‘King Solomon's Miners’: Faynan Orefield Jordanian Desert, Science of the Total Environment, Volume 319, Issues 1-3, Feb 2004
Weapons more violent, when next we meet,
May serve us better, and worse our foes,
Or equal what between us made the odds,
...
Whereto with look composed Satan replied:
Not uninvented that, which thou aright
Believest so main to our success, I bring.
Which of us who beholds the bright surface
Of this ethereous mould whereon we stand,
This continent of spacious Heaven, adorn'd
With plant, fruit, flower ambrosial, gems, and gold;
Whose eye so superficially surveys
These things, as not to mind from whence they grow
Deep under ground, materials dark and crude,
Of spiritous and fiery spume, til touch'd
With Heaven's ray, and temper'd, they shoot forth
So beauteous, opening to the ambient light?
These in their dark nativity the deep
Shall yield us, pregnant with eternal flame;
Which, into hollow engines, long and round,
Thick ramm'd, at the other bore with touch of fire
Dilated and infuriate, shall send forth
From far, with thundering noise, among our foes
Such implements of mischief as shall dash
To pieces, and o'erwhelm whatever stands
Adverse, that they shall fear we have disarm'd
The Thunderer of his only dreaded bolt.
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23 comments:
Nuclear Wespons are weak compared to kinetic energy weapons, ie rogue asteroids.
The ancients didn't have that capability.
Any civilization that is capable of nuclear fission is also capable of high speed space travel.
According to Milton, harnessing asteroids as weapons was either not the fashion or else not within their power.
OIM,
Here is from LH's article:
"Clearly the Earth’s creation as outlined in Genesis, could not have been observed by anyone, and thus cannot be considered a scientific fact." - LH
We need physical evidence of uraninum mining in the ancient times, otherwise, a great poetry where imagination rules...
Now, if the weapons are given (like Mahabharata), it is a different story.
KV,
"We need physical evidence of uraninum mining in the ancient times, otherwise, a great poetry where imagination rules..."
No we don't. I don't need the evidence because I already have it. And you don't need the evidence because you haven't looked for it.
"Whilst the copper ores were the main objectives of the ancient mining, numerous other toxic metals are present in significant quantities, including minerals such as thorium and uranium...." -- John P. Grattan, professor, et al., Radon and ‘King Solomon's Miners’: Faynan Orefield Jordanian Desert, Science of the Total Environment, Volume 319, Issues 1-3, Feb 2004
OIM,
If you want to do science, you need irrrefutable evidence. You don't have it.
All mining operations leave toxic residue: go to Nevada, and you will find cynide pits contaminated with all the stuff and in significant quantities.
Even the coal ash from coal buirning power plants that ruptured the containment recently is toxic, probably super toxic, as our govt. does not want to talk about it.
So, when you say this and I quote:
" I don't need the evidence because I already have it."
It is what I mean as morbid ignorance. Beliefs do not make science, they allow you to form hypothesis, an analyzable and testable hypothesis.
KV,
You are in denial of the peer-reviewed science which states that the ancients mined uranium and other radioactive materials.
"Can we not read into them some justification for the belief that some former forgotten race of men attained not only to the knowledge we have so recently won, but also to the power that is not yet ours?" -- Frederick Soddy, radiochemist, The Interpretation of Radium, 1909
Furthermore you are in denial of history.
" ... if one must believe Poseidonius, the ancient dogma about atoms originated with Mochus, a Sidonian, born before the Trojan times. However, let us dismiss things ancient." -- Strabo, geographer, 7
OIM,
Frankly, you are armwaving at best. Both quotes contain "belief" or "believe"; which means there is no irrefutable evidence. Again, all mining activities leave toxic residues, only concentrated...
And, of course, what is peer-reviewed are the statements of believers, not the factuality of claims. Thus, you are morbidly ignorant. May be you should go back to the darkness of mind stuff. Since you only clip and paste, mostly not read, nor understand, it will not harm you.
KV,
"Frankly, you are armwaving at best."
If I was deliberately ignoring the evidence and peer-reviewed literature on the subject I would probably say the exact same thing.
"Both quotes contain "belief" or "believe"; which means there is no irrefutable evidence."
So? Why do you choose to "believe" the opposite when you have no evidence and all the evidence actually contradicts you?
"Again, all mining activities leave toxic residues, only concentrated..."
All mining leaves evidence of uranium and ancient atomic warfare?
OIM,
Armwavers also fabricate evidence - actually make believe evidence, like the WMDs...
Why not enjoy the Milton's poem as poem? Why make stuff out of and make-believe them to be real without any evidence, except contaminated pools of wastes, that happens to contain radioactive elements?
You pointed out that Mahabharata left enough descriptive aspects so a Vimana may, at least, be conceived and may be even built (which I think was done in India before Wright brothers). But, there is no such description on how to build a bomb, or a guided missile etc.
Irrefutable evidence is what science marches on; and, science questions everything, including irrefutable evidences of the past. A belief is a belief, and easily refuted by other beliefs. Just ask a Moslem about Allah and a Jew about God...
KV,
"Why not enjoy the Milton's poem as poem?"
Why not enjoy Darwin's fiction as fiction?
Dawkins doesn't write fiction though.
Dawkins is the king of fiction.
"Catastrophism was an eighteenth -- and nineteenth -- century attempt to reconcile some form of creationism with the uncomfortable facts of the fossil record." -- Richard Dawkins, atheist preacher, 1986
But sometimes he says some scientific things by accident:
"Well, it [Intelligent Design] could come about in the folowing way, it could be that at some earlier time somewhere in the universe a civilisation ... [came] to a very high level of technology and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now that is a possibility, an intriguing possibility, and I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry and molecular biology you might find a signature of some sort of designer. And that designer could well be a higher intelligence from elsewhere in the universe." -- Richard Dawkins, atheist preacher, 2008
OIM,
Now, you are flailing...
...from Milton, to Darwin to Dawkins?
KV,
QF brought up Dawkins.
OIM,
You brought up Darwin for no reason or connection. QF may or may not have made a typo on Dawkins, or he was pulling your chain. You went to your clip box and started cutting and pasting...
Darwin as fiction, and Milton's poem as science, is the real fiction.
You can refute Darwin with independently testable evidence. Beliefs are not evidence, actually, they are articulation of morbid ignorance.
Oils is a denialist when it comes to evolution.
Natural Selection, Asteriod Impacts and plate tectonics are all real effects that Oils pretends do not happen.
For example, he thinks craters are caused by lightning bolts. No one has ever found the fulgurites that should form from such bolts, but that doesn't stop him... he just goes on quoting, declaring the rest of the world to be backward from "reality."
Why not enjoy Darwin's fiction as fiction?
It's a fact, and you know this... but you choose to ignore it.
Jeffery,
"Natural Selection, Asteriod Impacts and plate tectonics are all real effects that Oils pretends do not happen."
I deny asteroid impacts now? LMAO. So much for honest debate.
Jeffery,
"For example, he thinks craters are caused by lightning bolts."
Wrong again. Only some are.
Who designed the aliens then?
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